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welcome back to another episode of uap

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studies my name is jason gilman and i'm

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joined by louis borges again or as he's

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been recently dubbed gorgeous borges so

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how are you doing today louis i'm doing

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very good brother thanks again for

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having me on the show i'm super excited

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about our guest um he's very well versed

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in the field a lot of years of

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experience again he's another uh another

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guest that meets our caliber of what we

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think are the real deal in the world of

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ufology and uh yeah i'll throw it back

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to you let's uh let's intro and maybe

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talk a little bit about the history of

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our today's guest perfect so today we

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have malcolm robinson who's joining us

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from scotland and uh he's the assistant

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editor of the outer limits magazine he's

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been a founder of the strange phenomenon

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investigation which started back in

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1979.

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malcolm is also a well-known scottish

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author of books on the paranormal and

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ufo topics he's an established speaker

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presenter script writer and authored

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many books on ufos and the paranormal

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such as ufo case files in scotland

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volume one and two the monster of loch

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ness the paranormal case files of great

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britain volume one two and three and a

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dutchmont wood ufo incident as well

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which is one that we haven't covered

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much on the podcast but it's a crucial

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incident that took place uh so i'd like

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to welcome you to the podcast malcolm

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how you doing sir

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yes it's a pleasure to be on your

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podcast i'm very well sir very well

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indeed nice to be on

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great so one of the things that we

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always ask our guests is basically we we

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all have origin stories something that

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triggered the ufo

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interest in somebody uh what age were

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you at when the ufo subject took hold of

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i'd probably be about maybe eight or

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nine years of age you know and from

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throughout growing up in my childhood

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i've had a number

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of very very strange and paranormal

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experiences

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and you know as i grew older i decided i

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wanted to learn more about these

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fascinating subjects but um i was very

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very skeptical i honestly felt that

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there were no validity

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to claims pertaining to ghost support

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against ufos and way back in 1979 i

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started out on a one-man crusade to

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prove what i what a load of nonsense it

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there's no smoke without fire and whilst

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yes there are a lot of nonsense out

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wonderful cases

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of ufo sightings of close proximity

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sightings ghost sporter guys that i knew

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that hey we are on to something here and

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like i said in 1979 we formed sbi to

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look at all claims pertaining to all the

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wonderful bizarre worlds of the ufos and

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the unexplained it's been a it's been a

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wonderful journey a terrific journey

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beautiful and as far as activity in

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great britain you guys are you have as

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much activity as canada and the united

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states but we don't seem to hear about

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it too much unless it's a massive case

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are sightings

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occurring in the great britain

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still have a wealth of ufo reports and

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more so in scotland as well there's a

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small town called bonney bridge in

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stirlingshire in central scotland

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which has seen a rise of ufo reports

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from 1992 till present day

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i i've investigated this with a local

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provost councillor billy buchanan who

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was previously a councillor he's now a

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bonney bridge area there's sightings

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throughout scotland which demand

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we're talking about low-level close

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proximity sightings sightings that you

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could almost throw a stone at we have

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the large black triangular shaped craft

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slowly moving across the scottish skies

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and these are perplexing because as a

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researcher my job is to find out if

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there's a natural explanation to account

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for any given sighting we do that

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through checking by the with the police

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same thing we check with the local

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airports the national airports local

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flying clubs the ministry of defense

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which tend to dot the eyes and cross

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cities to try and reach a normal

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conclusion and the vast the vast

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majority of ufo reports as high as 95

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percent have a natural explanation

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five percent remain

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three percent of the five could be our

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own black budget technology as we know

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the stealth aircraft was flying in

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american skies for a good number of

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years before the american air force put

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their hands up and said it's ours that

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gave rise to many false 3 f4 reports so

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we have to be very very careful that

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what we're seeing in the skies is not

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our own black budget technology now the

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two percent that remains from that five

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atmospheric phenomena something akin to

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ball lightning or something

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the one percent the fly in the ointment

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personally and my colleagues as we are

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dealing absolutely dealing with some

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form of non-human intelligence

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that's always been with us it's been

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here since the you know mankind was on

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the planet we see it in the cave

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paintings etc we see it in renaissance

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paintings you know and the artwork etc

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here for so long why

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wonderful cases i'd love to tell your

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good self and your listeners

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you feel free this is the this is your

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time for sure to talk about this stuff

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okay what i would like to say first and

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foremost you mentioned ella about you

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know basically what was the first case

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that got me off the

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skeptical fence or what got me

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interested in it

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it would be 1979 now the story may well

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be known to some of your viewers and

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listeners but i'll tell it again

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1979 i was only about 19 years of age so

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that's going back a bit and what

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happened was it was a local forester a

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chap called robert taylor

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he was employed by the livingston

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development corporation in the forestry

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very very mundane job he had no interest

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no interest at all in ufos flying

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saucers you know he was an educated man

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he helped um liberate bilson bergen the

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the the concentration camp where he was

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so now he's older mundane job walking

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oh my god what the what is that

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he saw he described this large

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dome-shaped object with the flange going

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around its perimeter with cross-leg

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he's never seen anything like this in

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north atlantic with a spike sticking out

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a bit right resembled that two of them

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from this craft it was hovering about 40

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feet above this grass dropped down

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he's like this was going on here

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then he projected these rod like

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projections towards his purse and pulled

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him pulled him very very forcibly

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horrible burning smell pervading the

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whole area and then a swishing sound and

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larger object was gone the smaller

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he had a nasty graze under his chin he

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had a graze on his head he had a

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pounding headache and he managed to

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stagger back to his pickup truck which

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was uh near the woods he tried to radio

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but he couldn't speak he had lost his

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he managed to get back home to his wife

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and his wife which is what's happened to

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you because her husband you know his

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jersey was all muddy

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and he said i've been attacked

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i don't buy her by men

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by a spaceship thing

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and she says look come on there's no

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but then she went well i know my

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would never make up a tall tale like

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so she phoned a local doctor the local

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doctor came down to the house checked

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his heart his lungs etc he was very

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his forestry boss came down

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and both men went up to the woods

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there you go there's all the marks in

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the scottish police became involved

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it was deemed as an assault

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by person or persons unknown a physical

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the police looked at the grass wow

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yeah they're no denying that fenced off

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i became involved i saw the marks on the

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grass myself we interviewed bob several

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times i interviewed the place etc

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one thing i should say to yourself is

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the trousers at robert taylor war were

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these were tested forensically tested by

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at edinburgh and the chief scientist

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said malcolm

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these trousers

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were pulled in an upwards manner

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they were not made by any forest debris

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they were not made by sharp stones or

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sharp twigs these were clearly made in a

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pulling upwards manner now these were

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heavy duty material heavy material you

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know

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very very thick

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1993 we placed a a stone care in there

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with a bra brass plaque to commemorate

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that event and a few years ago i managed

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to get signage placed because

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people were coming from all over the

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world we couldn't find it it's such a

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big we can't find it so i managed to get

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signage placed by the local council ufo

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this way and we have big signage at the

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plaque uh sorry at the area as well

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it's a wonderful case and his dog never

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ever went back to that area again never

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mentioned near that that's just one of

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many one of many cases in scotland that

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you know it proves that we're dealing

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with something real something tangible

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now like anything else

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people skeptics we love them we wouldn't

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be here without them

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skeptics had ideas what it could be

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one skeptic said

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could have not been a tropo belladonna

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now that's a point poisonous berry which

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ingested with any deep quantity can

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cause hallucinations or even death

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there is no evidence no evidence of that

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plant that been in decrement woods at

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all none at all

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and um as i said i had to write a

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standalone book about that case the

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deccan woods incident because

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it just deserved people's attention and

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as i say wonderful case wonderful case

326
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that's amazing

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malcolm i wanted to ask you about the

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recent movie that you uh start in the

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pentagon ufo files and uh to start i

330
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found it fascinating that it took a uk

331
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media company to give us a film entitled

332
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the pentagon ufo files um but in this

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movie and for those who haven't seen it

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yet i do recommend it um and we don't

335
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promote many things often but if we've

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personally seen it and uh you know like

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it we will give it our seal of approval

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so to speak not that it's worth anything

339
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but i really enjoyed it um it does go

340
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over the uh you know december 2017 new

341
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york times article about the a-tip

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videos um we've had a lot of people on

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our show you know sean cahill

344
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kevin day first-hand experiencers that

345
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were on the uss princeton

346
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right at the time that this nimitz thing

347
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was happening

348
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we've had forensic scientists that have

349
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given us you know specific data

350
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telemetry uh you know guys that were

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watching these things on radar

352
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but the thing i enjoyed was that you

353
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kind of gave the full chronology and

354
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filled in some gaps that we didn't even

355
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get ourselves on the north american end

356
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of this uh you know we're a lot closer

357
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to where this story launched um but you

358
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know you mentioned senator harry reid

359
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was made aware um either through a leak

360
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or otherwise but

361
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was made aware that there were some

362
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sightings happening with the navy pilots

363
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and i think because of that the

364
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government started taking it more

365
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seriously because now we got military

366
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people breaking silence it's easy to

367
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discredit some nut out in the field in a

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farmland and say he doesn't know what he

369
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saw but when it's your own military

370
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people um and then you know there's the

371
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whole idea the threat narrative so i'll

372
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ask you you know what went into making

373
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that movie what made you guys want to do

374
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it and uh what about this whole story do

375
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you find interesting

376
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well yeah i mean obviously i was invited

377
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to go to london i was staying in

378
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scotland at a time invited to go to

379
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london to be part of a team of a few

380
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british ufologists

381
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uh one of whom was of course philip

382
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mantle a very dear and good friend of

383
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mine and we were invited to go to london

384
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to provide our thoughts about what we

385
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thought was happening here with these

386
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wonderful sightings a tic tac gimbal go

387
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fast these objects it was

388
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seen by american air force pilots and it

389
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was just the case of really just sitting

390
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down and giving giving our own views our

391
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own thoughts about what we felt here in

392
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the uk because

393
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you know it's a massive an american case

394
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it's it's

395
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simply incredible when we think about

396
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the fact that um

397
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they had this report this big report

398
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that came out there was a lot more pages

399
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of the report that we haven't as yet

400
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seen and i'd love to see those final

401
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pages

402
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and since then we've obviously had more

403
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sightings come out from various people

404
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as well so it was a it provided that

405
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opportunity for myself philip manto and

406
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phil kinsella jason glaves paul askoff

407
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just to think just to tell people what

408
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we believe was going on

409
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and as you probably for those who

410
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haven't obviously saw this footage and i

411
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dare say that there can't be that many

412
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we're the only deal we're dealing here

413
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with either two things

414
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a it's their own technology

415
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and this was that her own technology was

416
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masquerading to see what this exercise

417
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you know

418
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all these ships it was taking part in

419
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this exercise

420
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but and this so this could have been

421
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american it could have been canadian to

422
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see how they would react

423
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and um which is fanciful which is airy

424
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fairy

425
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that's possibility number one i mean it

426
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could have been

427
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russian experiment chinese except we

428
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have to think about this no matter how

429
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preposterous this sounds we have to look

430
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out the box to see well who else if it's

431
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not american

432
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who else could be doing this

433
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so the other option is

434
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that it clearly is off world because the

435
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g-force involved the speeds involved

436
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is absolutely terrific and if we have

437
00:17:03,269 --> 00:16:59,680
that technology why aren't we using that

438
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technology and in some theaters of war

439
00:17:08,710 --> 00:17:06,240
or whatever or just normal transport

440
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just to get people from atb much more

441
00:17:10,390 --> 00:17:09,600
quicker

442
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so

443
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i tend to think and i could be wrong i

444
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tend to think it's not our own

445
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i don't think it's our own technology at

446
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all i think it is off world i think it

447
00:17:23,750 --> 00:17:21,839
is something else

448
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and again it doesn't provide us an

449
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explanation it doesn't give us an answer

450
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it doesn't you know

451
00:17:32,789 --> 00:17:31,039
what what's going on here and um

452
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we just don't know we just really don't

453
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know but i'm glad that that documentary

454
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was made because it was well put

455
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together people like myself who work

456
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with the media

457
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we're always hopeful that they they will

458
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showcase ourselves and the subject in a

459
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nice correct light

460
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a lot of times they don't you know it's

461
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so

462
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it's all just wishy-washy and it's it's

463
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not presented very well but i was very

464
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very pleased

465
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by my partition participation in the

466
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pentagon ufo files and it was just a

467
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great opportunity just to say to the

468
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british public and the american public

469
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canadian public and everybody in europe

470
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have a look at this this is incredible

471
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with ufology i always find it funny

472
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because it's

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possibility versus probability you know

474
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is it possible that it's a russian and

475
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chinese yes it's possible is it

476
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possibly that it's like no i don't think

477
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that that it is them the way the

478
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characteristics the way that they fly

479
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the lack of interactions between the

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american and you know russia is having

481
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the same issues that the americans are

482
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with these things so is china china

483
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started their own uap task force for

484
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crying out loud so it shows that it's

485
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it's it's a it's a global issue and

486
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they're thinking is it the americans is

487
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it the russians like they're thinking

488
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the same thing that we're thinking on

489
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this side right we know it's not canada

490
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because canada has absolutely no budget

491
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for military whatsoever or experimental

492
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stuff and if it was canada there'd be a

493
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big canadian flag on the tic tac or

494
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something like that right

495
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nobody's playing with experimental

496
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footage and we've had plenty of military

497
00:19:13,510 --> 00:19:11,200
people on this show you know that said

498
00:19:15,029 --> 00:19:13,520
listen we would never that's how

499
00:19:17,350 --> 00:19:15,039
friendly fire happens and that's how

500
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people die and that's the best way to

501
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blow your cover on a black budget

502
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project which is the

503
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that's the end-all be-all is don't let

504
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this get out so they're not playing with

505
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this technology over highly populated

506
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cities and while other people don't know

507
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the training's happening the military

508
00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:35,039
bar down does not

509
00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:37,520
do that ever anywhere um you know and

510
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it's a it's an offense to your own

511
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troops that like we don't trust you

512
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enough to know that we're running covert

513
00:19:47,830 --> 00:19:45,520
operations covert operations all the

514
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time happen when you're told hey don't

515
00:19:51,510 --> 00:19:49,840
go in there don't ask about this you're

516
00:19:53,909 --> 00:19:51,520
just like okay yeah it could be

517
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something very mundane and not

518
00:19:58,390 --> 00:19:56,480
life-changing but they're just used to

519
00:20:00,549 --> 00:19:58,400
if you're told you don't ask or you

520
00:20:02,789 --> 00:20:00,559
don't need to know this that's just par

521
00:20:05,029 --> 00:20:02,799
for the course even on you know other

522
00:20:07,430 --> 00:20:05,039
things that are like shift change times

523
00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:07,440
or standard operations on the boat they

524
00:20:11,590 --> 00:20:09,600
do have some compartmentalization

525
00:20:14,070 --> 00:20:11,600
so you know that's not the big thing the

526
00:20:17,110 --> 00:20:14,080
big thing for me is the characteristics

527
00:20:19,029 --> 00:20:17,120
the speeds the apparent g-forces

528
00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:19,039
we interviewed some of the cast from a

529
00:20:22,390 --> 00:20:20,640
tear in the sky which is a new movie

530
00:20:25,430 --> 00:20:22,400
that just came out one of them being

531
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dave mason and he's a brilliant engineer

532
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and scientist inventor

533
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and they essentially caught

534
00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:31,679
reigning tic tacs similar to what

535
00:20:37,270 --> 00:20:34,559
happened in the in the uss nimitz video

536
00:20:39,669 --> 00:20:37,280
and like he's very good with photography

537
00:20:41,590 --> 00:20:39,679
he knows how to do the the trigonometry

538
00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:41,600
with the angles and you know the field

539
00:20:46,390 --> 00:20:43,919
of view and how far away it is and

540
00:20:48,549 --> 00:20:46,400
basically he said that what they caught

541
00:20:51,990 --> 00:20:48,559
was a reigning tic tac went from

542
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sub-orbital into the water speeds were

543
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ranging from 8 000 miles an hour to 84

544
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000 miles an hour

545
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and i mean when you look at these things

546
00:21:03,990 --> 00:21:01,840
on flear and i mean the tic tac footage

547
00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:04,000
is an infrared shot you can see right on

548
00:21:08,070 --> 00:21:06,400
the gunner footage it says ir in the top

549
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:08,080
so again this doesn't appear to the

550
00:21:13,110 --> 00:21:10,720
normal naked eye in that spectrum but

551
00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:13,120
when you see what it's doing how cold it

552
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is there's no propulsion there's no heat

553
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not even the friction is registering as

554
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something causing heat so

555
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it's so beyond our potential just as

556
00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:26,080
beings to be in a machine

557
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:28,000
would we be able to do that and the

558
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:30,480
g-force alone would kill you

559
00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:32,000
not to mention you know the erratic

560
00:21:35,750 --> 00:21:33,520
changes in direction and everything else

561
00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:35,760
so for me the the strangest thing and

562
00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:37,760
the hardest thing to explain

563
00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:40,080
is how does it do what it does even if

564
00:21:43,029 --> 00:21:41,360
it is russia

565
00:21:44,789 --> 00:21:43,039
jason you mentioned you know russia's

566
00:21:46,950 --> 00:21:44,799
having a hard time with ukraine if they

567
00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:46,960
had ufo technology it would be lights

568
00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:50,000
out yeah oh yeah yeah i think it's very

569
00:21:54,789 --> 00:21:52,640
improbable that this is human-made just

570
00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:54,799
because of the fact that even if we

571
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:56,640
could make something that would go that

572
00:22:00,390 --> 00:21:58,480
fast you still need somebody to operate

573
00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:00,400
it and i don't think we've developed

574
00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:03,440
that bubble technology where physics

575
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:05,440
don't apply i don't think that exists on

576
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:06,960
our planet

577
00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:07,919
yeah

578
00:22:11,350 --> 00:22:09,679
totally again with you you know when you

579
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:11,360
look at that footage and you look at the

580
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:14,880
dynamics and stuff it doesn't seem as if

581
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:16,720
we could do anything at that at this

582
00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:19,200
stage in our technology i mean look at

583
00:22:24,149 --> 00:22:21,200
how technology's advanced over the last

584
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:24,159
50 years from the big mobile phone and

585
00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:26,159
stuff you know to the slim phones have

586
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:28,240
got now technology's ever progressing

587
00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:30,720
not just in telecommunications

588
00:22:36,149 --> 00:22:33,520
but in you know military technology as

589
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:36,159
well and like you said you know if

590
00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:39,360
the ukraine had that uh then it would be

591
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:41,919
like so for russia um because you would

592
00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:43,440
employ that you know

593
00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:45,679
i mean war is terrible in any conflict

594
00:22:48,789 --> 00:22:47,520
anywhere on planet earth of course it is

595
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:48,799
but um

596
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:50,480
and it's sad that sometimes you have to

597
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:52,799
use um you know weapons of destruction

598
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:54,559
to do that you know the age bomb the

599
00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:57,120
atom bomb you know that that that ended

600
00:22:59,669 --> 00:22:57,840
uh

601
00:23:01,909 --> 00:22:59,679
japan you know they were in japan they

602
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:01,919
knew they couldn't compete with that so

603
00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:04,559
we're living in terrible times um

604
00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:06,960
the problem is that and i keep saying is

605
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:08,720
it's not just this technology it's not

606
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:11,120
just this incredible ufos that we've

607
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:12,960
seen flitting about the skies it's the

608
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:15,120
abduction phenomena

609
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:17,600
what bothers me is the fact that they're

610
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:19,760
taking people from their homes from

611
00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:20,960
their cars

612
00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:22,799
and you know doing these horrible

613
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:24,640
experiments on them now

614
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:26,880
they've been doing it for over 40 50 60

615
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:27,840
years

616
00:23:31,830 --> 00:23:29,919
if it's a genetic thing

617
00:23:33,909 --> 00:23:31,840
if they're trying to get some genetics

618
00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:33,919
out of us well surely they could do that

619
00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:36,320
in a a hospital would go into you know

620
00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:38,000
stealthily went in a hospital get

621
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:39,679
sperman over

622
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:42,000
but then again maybe they need the the

623
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:44,400
human being or is it as some people have

624
00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:46,799
said maybe these small greys are looking

625
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:49,520
for our soul what makes their soul tick

626
00:23:53,029 --> 00:23:50,640
etc

627
00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:53,039
right now i'm dealing with a lady in uh

628
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:55,360
in edinburgh and she's been abducted

629
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:57,840
since she was 10 years of age she's got

630
00:24:02,710 --> 00:24:00,159
marks all over her body it's the early

631
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:02,720
stage of this investigation but she is

632
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:06,080
terrified she is wanting answers and

633
00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:08,080
whilst guys like me and guys like your

634
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:10,000
good selves we can do all the research

635
00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:11,039
we want

636
00:24:15,149 --> 00:24:12,880
but we haven't got the answers not yet

637
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:15,159
you know and that's the problem it's so

638
00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:17,760
frustrating to know that we're dealing

639
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:19,760
with a real phenomena here but we can't

640
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:22,080
get a handle on it we can't stop them we

641
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:24,400
can have all these small cameras hidden

642
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:26,400
in the bedroom to see if we can capture

643
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:27,600
something

644
00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:29,679
but it doesn't always work as we know

645
00:24:33,350 --> 00:24:31,120
yeah i have a

646
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:33,360
somebody that i know that is within the

647
00:24:37,590 --> 00:24:36,000
u.s military and he told me

648
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:37,600
uh just flat out when i said you know is

649
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:39,679
there really a threat narrative to this

650
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:40,799
whole

651
00:24:44,789 --> 00:24:42,720
ufo thing because they seem to be quite

652
00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:44,799
docile with our military meaning you

653
00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:47,279
know almost like a laser pointer

654
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:50,000
and uh a cat you know just try to catch

655
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:52,240
me type scenario

656
00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:54,480
yeah so and i find that funny but he

657
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:56,320
said you know i said

658
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:57,600
is there such a thing as a threat

659
00:25:00,549 --> 00:24:58,880
narrative because they haven't shown any

660
00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:00,559
hostility towards us he goes well let me

661
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:02,640
tell you something he says is it illegal

662
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:03,919
for me to break into your house in the

663
00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:06,000
middle of the night take you

664
00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:08,559
do medical experiments and then drop you

665
00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:11,279
back off feeling sick ill without your

666
00:25:15,510 --> 00:25:13,919
right and without consent i said well

667
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:15,520
yeah that would be illegal it goes okay

668
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:17,919
so then it goes against our laws as

669
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:19,840
humans it goes against a you know it's

670
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:22,080
an offense against us and it's true

671
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:23,360
there's nothing we can do about it the

672
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:24,480
government's not going to come out and

673
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:25,760
say hey actually the abduction

674
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:27,440
phenomenon is real

675
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:29,360
we can't do anything about it even if we

676
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:30,880
found out that they were on a radar by

677
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:34,000
the time was it norad uh that takes care

678
00:25:38,950 --> 00:25:36,240
of the stuff over her airspace that it

679
00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:38,960
would never make it in time so it is

680
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:40,640
something that i think is not being

681
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:43,039
mentioned with the uap

682
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:44,640
stuff that's going on in washington

683
00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:46,080
they're not talking about the abduction

684
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:48,559
phenomenon and if it's you know that it

685
00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:50,159
seems like they're almost waiting to

686
00:25:56,230 --> 00:25:54,000
bring that forward to people you know

687
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:56,240
yeah certainly certainly as i say it's

688
00:26:00,070 --> 00:25:59,120
very very serious for sure very serious

689
00:26:01,990 --> 00:26:00,080
indeed

690
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:02,000
and you could take that to the another

691
00:26:06,549 --> 00:26:04,320
level because i've spoken to people who

692
00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:06,559
claim and it's just a claim

693
00:26:10,710 --> 00:26:08,480
um that they have seen military

694
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:10,720
personnel with these small grays you

695
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:13,600
know side by side now i can't prove that

696
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:15,760
i'm only listening to their stories um

697
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:17,840
but collectively you take these stories

698
00:26:23,909 --> 00:26:21,679
from the uk britain canada america etc

699
00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:23,919
then it would seem to suggest that

700
00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:25,760
something very real is going on and then

701
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:28,000
maybe in cahoots is it black engineering

702
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:30,240
technology we're talking about here

703
00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:31,760
it's bad enough these things are

704
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:33,919
happening but if they're happening at

705
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:37,919
the behest of a military power and then

706
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:40,080
even worse that's even more concerning

707
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:41,760
yeah well that would be a crime against

708
00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:44,080
its own people wouldn't it to be able to

709
00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:46,480
yeah to witness what these things are

710
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:47,919
doing to us and obviously there's a

711
00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:49,679
reason that they need you physically

712
00:26:51,909 --> 00:26:50,559
there

713
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:51,919
present you know while they're doing

714
00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:54,400
these uh operations or and it you're

715
00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:55,840
right it could have something to do with

716
00:27:00,549 --> 00:26:57,919
our consciousness or our souls whatever

717
00:27:02,710 --> 00:27:00,559
it is but it's quite strange uh it seems

718
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:02,720
like there's

719
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:04,799
yeah are you aware of one of scotland's

720
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:05,679
biggest

721
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:08,640
ufo abduction cases the a70 case do you

722
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:10,159
know about this not familiar with that

723
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:11,360
sir no

724
00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:14,320
shall i tell you absolutely yeah please

725
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:21,669
okay again it confirms two men from

726
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:23,919
edinburgh the capital city of of

727
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:25,120
scotland

728
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:27,360
and they had no interest in ufos as uh

729
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,279
most people do they they were aware of

730
00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:31,440
it on television and newspapers but it

731
00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:33,760
wasn't a big concern for them

732
00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:35,840
now all that changed

733
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:38,080
all that changed on an august evening

734
00:27:43,029 --> 00:27:40,799
back in 1992

735
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:43,039
the two men were driving in their car

736
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:45,520
from edinburgh towards a small village

737
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:48,720
called tarbraks and west lothian

738
00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:50,720
and as they left the built-up city of

739
00:27:55,269 --> 00:27:52,880
edinburgh with the big buildings etc

740
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:55,279
this a70 road

741
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:57,360
went further miles out

742
00:28:02,470 --> 00:27:58,559
farmland

743
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:02,480
right

744
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:05,360
lonely road just fields and fields for

745
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:08,480
for miles you know farmers fields

746
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:10,480
so the job driving down this road it was

747
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:12,960
about half past 10 at night and as you

748
00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:15,200
were approaching a blind bend

749
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:18,559
your classic classic flying saucer was

750
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:22,080
about 50 60 feet above the the ground

751
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:23,679
above the road

752
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:26,240
it was like three tiers a black shiny

753
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:28,320
three-tiered disc shaped object and i

754
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:32,149
they knew

755
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:36,880
conventional helicopter or aircraft of

756
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:38,480
any description

757
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:40,159
and so if you can imagine this is the

758
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:42,960
ufo my hand here this is a car and as

759
00:28:48,149 --> 00:28:46,240
the car was directly underneath this

760
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:48,159
hovering object

761
00:28:53,830 --> 00:28:51,360
it emitted a heavy silver shimmering

762
00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:53,840
curtain of mist

763
00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:55,840
and it hit the car and as soon as that

764
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:58,480
effect hit the car

765
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:00,799
both men were enveloped in total and

766
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:03,520
inky blackness

767
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:04,880
they couldn't see their hands in front

768
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:06,640
of their face they couldn't see the

769
00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:08,320
dashboard of the card

770
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:10,240
they couldn't see each other

771
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:12,480
gary one of the witnesses says

772
00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:13,760
are we dead

773
00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:15,440
is this death

774
00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:17,840
we don't know how long but suddenly they

775
00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:19,600
regained their sight the cars on the

776
00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:21,279
other side of the road and they had to

777
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:23,200
struggle violently put back onto that

778
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:24,480
side of the road

779
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:26,640
they reached their destination

780
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:28,880
knocked on the occupants door

781
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:30,799
and the lady says

782
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:32,799
what time do you call this

783
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:33,760
what

784
00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:36,240
you're an hour and a half late

785
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:38,559
the journey should only have taken 30

786
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:40,799
minutes and they were an hour and a half

787
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:43,760
past that 30 minute deadline

788
00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:45,919
now they went into the house and said to

789
00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:47,840
the family we'll never believe what

790
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:50,559
we've just seen now that night

791
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:53,360
and subsequent nights thereafter

792
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:55,520
they had these strange dreams of these

793
00:29:59,909 --> 00:29:57,760
small grey creatures which we as we know

794
00:30:01,669 --> 00:29:59,919
called the greys they large uh

795
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:01,679
pear-shaped head the black inky

796
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:03,360
almond-shaped eyes

797
00:30:07,269 --> 00:30:05,120
then

798
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:07,279
they found scars on their body

799
00:30:12,070 --> 00:30:10,080
scars that previously were not there

800
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:12,080
where did they come from

801
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:13,520
now as i said they didn't know much

802
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:16,000
about ufos and gary one of the witnesses

803
00:30:18,549 --> 00:30:17,039
said well

804
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:18,559
who do you turn to

805
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:20,480
who who do you go to with these things

806
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:21,840
do you go to the place do you go to your

807
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:24,720
doctor who do you go to

808
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:26,399
cutting the long story short he went to

809
00:30:30,389 --> 00:30:27,919
his local library and he went to the

810
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:30,399
ufos and paranormal section and he

811
00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:32,640
picked out a book by a famous british

812
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:34,880
author jenny randalls

813
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:36,799
and my address was at the in the end of

814
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:38,480
the bootcamp

815
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:40,640
maybe i should call this chat malcolm

816
00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:41,760
robinson

817
00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:44,320
long story short if he called me i

818
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:46,240
listened to him on the phone

819
00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:48,080
and i said would you and colin that was

820
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:50,240
the other person in the car would you

821
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:52,720
and colin like to come to my house and

822
00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:56,000
talk about it yeah yeah yeah sure

823
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:58,240
then i said to them

824
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:00,240
would you be happy to go under hypnotic

825
00:31:05,909 --> 00:31:04,320
regression just to see if perhaps

826
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:05,919
something else may have happened that

827
00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:08,080
night both men says malcolm malcolm

828
00:31:11,909 --> 00:31:09,919
we'll try anything we need to know what

829
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:11,919
happened malcolm even their wives don't

830
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:13,919
believe what what went on you know we're

831
00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:15,840
having trouble we have work mates but

832
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:17,840
just laughing at us now

833
00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:19,679
what i'm about to tell you

834
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:21,919
right now is what happened

835
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:24,159
under hypnosis

836
00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:26,480
the conscious recall was only ever seen

837
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:28,799
a physical craft the car going under it

838
00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:30,960
the big light bang blackness that's a

839
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:33,039
conscious recall

840
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:35,760
under hypnosis they said

841
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:36,799
some of it

842
00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:39,360
tallies with european abductions some of

843
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:41,360
it doesn't

844
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:44,880
they claim they were stopped on the road

845
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:46,799
several small gray creatures three and a

846
00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:48,559
half to four feet tall approached the

847
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:49,600
car

848
00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:54,000
another sounds bizarre placed one of the

849
00:31:59,110 --> 00:31:56,320
men on a floating stretcher nobody was

850
00:32:01,269 --> 00:31:59,120
holding it three floating stretcher they

851
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:01,279
were taken on board this object they

852
00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:03,519
were stripped naked and subjected to

853
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:05,919
some form of medical or clinical

854
00:32:09,909 --> 00:32:07,840
procedure

855
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:09,919
gary found himself in a flat raised

856
00:32:15,509 --> 00:32:12,640
table and he says malcolm

857
00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:15,519
i couldn't move i could not move a

858
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:18,080
muscle i could only move my eyes

859
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:20,240
and then suddenly i saw this can-shaped

860
00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:22,640
device it was about three feet tall come

861
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:24,640
off the floor of the machine

862
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:26,559
come up to about my head tight and a

863
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:28,720
lever went up like that with two red

864
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:31,200
like led lights and it started to spin

865
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:33,360
around my head making a noise this is i

866
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:36,000
don't know what it did i haven't a clue

867
00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:38,320
then he also saw above him this black

868
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:40,799
kind of lens shaped object just free

869
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:42,559
floating and oscillating again he

870
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:43,760
couldn't move he didn't know what was

871
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:44,960
going on

872
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:47,360
and then he also remembers these two

873
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:49,760
small grey beings at the foot of this

874
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:51,519
flat bed thing

875
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:54,000
and he says they they had this pendulum

876
00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:56,080
like a pendulum and we're moving up and

877
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:58,000
down his body

878
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:59,360
and then he says

879
00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:00,799
well he didn't want to tell me what

880
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:02,559
happened next i said you've got to tell

881
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:03,360
me

882
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:10,559
what you saw

883
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:12,080
well i looked down i could only move my

884
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:13,440
eyes malcolm this is what he's saying i

885
00:33:17,669 --> 00:33:15,120
could only look and i looked down on the

886
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:17,679
floor and i saw a naked female

887
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:20,159
naked female about

888
00:33:25,509 --> 00:33:24,000
16 17 17 years of age she had her knees

889
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:25,519
up under her chin

890
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:27,919
she had her arms around her knees and

891
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:30,240
she gently turned her head and looked in

892
00:33:35,269 --> 00:33:32,480
my direction and tears were running down

893
00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:35,279
her face he says malcolm i'll never ever

894
00:33:39,269 --> 00:33:37,760
forget that and as long as i live

895
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:39,279
another thing you saw on board this

896
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:42,480
craft was he saw he says

897
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:45,039
it was like a pool of a man's shaving

898
00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:46,799
gel just starting to bubble up on the

899
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:49,519
floor of this this this room

900
00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:50,880
circular room

901
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:52,960
no instrumentation or anything just this

902
00:33:58,310 --> 00:33:56,000
flat table and coming out of this was a

903
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:58,320
small grey being

904
00:34:02,549 --> 00:34:00,960
and i says gary in the drawings it looks

905
00:34:04,149 --> 00:34:02,559
like ribs

906
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:04,159
i'm not aware of any of these creatures

907
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:05,600
having ribs and they said a very

908
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:07,679
interesting thing he says well

909
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:10,639
maybe it was heavy folds of skin which

910
00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:12,159
was interesting

911
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:14,159
another thing that was not common with

912
00:34:18,869 --> 00:34:16,399
european abduction reports was

913
00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:18,879
underneath the eyes the black

914
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:22,159
eyes of these creatures was green red

915
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:23,599
and black

916
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:25,679
lines under their eyes now that's i know

917
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:28,480
it sounds bizarre many cases are

918
00:34:33,909 --> 00:34:31,599
and it was absolutely traumatized them

919
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:33,919
now it's a long story so i'll be brief

920
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:34,720
so

921
00:34:38,790 --> 00:34:36,480
as i said to you his wife did not

922
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:38,800
believe him until one night

923
00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:40,560
one night i took a phone call in my

924
00:34:46,069 --> 00:34:44,000
house and it was gary's wife

925
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:46,079
is that your malcolm yes how can i help

926
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:46,879
you

927
00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:48,960
and she says she was lying in bed gary

928
00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:52,000
was next to her he was sleeping

929
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:53,679
she was says his malcolm i wasn't

930
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:56,560
sleeping had read a book closed the book

931
00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:59,119
put it on the bedside table

932
00:35:03,990 --> 00:35:01,280
switched the bedside light off and

933
00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:04,000
within 20 seconds

934
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:06,800
cold clammy hands grabbed small hands

935
00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:08,480
like child-like hands grabbed their

936
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:10,480
ankles and pulled them pulled her so i

937
00:35:15,670 --> 00:35:13,119
pulled her forcibly down the bed so

938
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:15,680
where her head was on the pillow it's

939
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:18,000
now down there and she saw these three

940
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:20,000
creatures at the foot of the bed

941
00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:22,720
wobbling into the wall and disappearing

942
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:25,040
and she says malcolm i'm so sorry i

943
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:27,200
firmly believe my husband now

944
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:29,119
and this is just one of many cases

945
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:31,440
coming out of scotland similar to some

946
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:33,839
degree to canada and also

947
00:35:37,109 --> 00:35:35,200
america

948
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:37,119
what's concerning too is that these

949
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:38,960
crafts are designed

950
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:41,280
to have experiment with us in it like

951
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:42,720
people go in and there's like an

952
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:44,960
operation room or a table of some sort

953
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:46,960
but every one of these crafts seem to

954
00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:50,560
have a room that is designed for

955
00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:52,720
medical procedures on humans like the

956
00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:54,560
table is human size there's humans

957
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:56,400
always involved and like you mentioned

958
00:35:59,670 --> 00:35:58,720
that that 16 17 year old girl that's

959
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:59,680
crying

960
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:01,440
even when you look back at the berkshire

961
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:03,280
incidents when it's going from city to

962
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:05,280
city abducting people

963
00:36:08,790 --> 00:36:07,040
i'm not surprised that that still is

964
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:08,800
happening today that it's you know

965
00:36:11,349 --> 00:36:10,400
whatever their agenda is they're going

966
00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:11,359
from

967
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:13,599
especially in scotland in england

968
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:15,920
everything's so close together so it is

969
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:17,599
possible that uh

970
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:19,920
they do that in that section as well now

971
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:21,760
one of the questions that i have for you

972
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:24,240
um is that usually in the uk the tall

973
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:25,440
whites

974
00:36:32,790 --> 00:36:30,560
predominant over there while over here

975
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:32,800
in north america it's usually uh the

976
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:35,520
grays that we have so have you had any

977
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:37,040
experience or anything like that with

978
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:38,640
the the tall whites

979
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:40,720
or is it

980
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:42,320
nordic blinds i think you call them

981
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:45,839
right nordic blondes nordic

982
00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:49,359
they are in a historic lore of british

983
00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:51,760
mythology we have a few cases of these

984
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:53,280
nordic blondes

985
00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:55,280
beautiful kind of norwegian type people

986
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:57,440
with a long blonde hair kind of george

987
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:00,640
adamski ass kind of people um

988
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:02,800
who are so sorry

989
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:05,200
but that's that's in the past we don't

990
00:37:09,430 --> 00:37:07,440
seem to be dealing with any of these

991
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:09,440
nordic-like creatures or whatever they

992
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:10,800
may be now

993
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:12,960
mostly it's a small gray beings that

994
00:37:17,109 --> 00:37:15,040
we're seeing people often ask me well

995
00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:17,119
malcolm don't forget we also have these

996
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:19,520
reptilian-like creatures and stuff and

997
00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:21,520
insectoids you call them

998
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:23,839
we may well have that but here in

999
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:26,240
scotland and in england i personally

1000
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:28,079
haven't dealt with any of those cases so

1001
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:30,640
i cannot comment on them i'm not saying

1002
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:33,119
they don't happen they may well do but

1003
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:35,440
certainly i can only speak about cases

1004
00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:37,760
i've personally dealt with um but again

1005
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:39,920
it's there's no denying it they are in

1006
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:42,720
this historic uh youthful lore yeah the

1007
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:46,800
nordics it's insectoids reptilians etc

1008
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:48,960
yeah we don't hear of them as often i've

1009
00:37:52,470 --> 00:37:50,800
had a few people or we've had a few

1010
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:52,480
people on the podcast that have talked

1011
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:55,359
about the reptilians uh usually being in

1012
00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:58,000
cahoots with the uh grays it seems like

1013
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:59,359
the grays are almost like the worker

1014
00:38:02,630 --> 00:38:00,720
bees for these things these things are a

1015
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:02,640
little bit higher up up the the chain

1016
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:03,359
but

1017
00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:05,359
again it's nothing that we can prove or

1018
00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:07,280
it's just uh stories from the abductees

1019
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:08,480
that we were

1020
00:38:16,390 --> 00:38:14,550
yeah there was a i think in historic

1021
00:38:17,910 --> 00:38:16,400
legend i'm not sure if it was ireland or

1022
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:17,920
scotland but there was a group known as

1023
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:20,079
the tuatha di dinan

1024
00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:22,720
and uh they had you know some people

1025
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:24,800
thought that they may not have been from

1026
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:26,960
this earth either or they had

1027
00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:29,119
information or technology that you know

1028
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:31,119
superseded everybody else at that time

1029
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:33,440
so there's been recordings of this going

1030
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:35,200
back hundreds if not thousands of years

1031
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:36,000
too

1032
00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:37,839
you know whether they're transient

1033
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:39,440
whether these are just one of many

1034
00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:41,760
civilizations and you know

1035
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:42,960
unless there was something interesting

1036
00:38:45,829 --> 00:38:44,560
enough to keep you coming back over and

1037
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:45,839
over again

1038
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:47,440
sometimes it might be a one and done you

1039
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:48,960
never know right maybe they're on to

1040
00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:52,000
something bigger and better than us

1041
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:54,079
yeah and i always said that you know

1042
00:38:57,670 --> 00:38:56,079
people say well how are they getting

1043
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:57,680
here you know

1044
00:39:02,390 --> 00:38:59,520
they're traveling faster than lights

1045
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:02,400
people say you can't you know move

1046
00:39:05,670 --> 00:39:04,480
faster like yeah that's possibly our

1047
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:05,680
technology if we're dealing with

1048
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:06,720
something

1049
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:08,960
well in advance of our own technology we

1050
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:11,520
can't comprehend that you know it's like

1051
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:13,280
a christopher columbus going into the

1052
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:14,880
nautilus the big you know the big

1053
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:16,560
submarine et cetera

1054
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:17,680
and there's no denying that we're

1055
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:19,599
dealing with something very superior um

1056
00:39:24,069 --> 00:39:22,079
they may well have um bases under the

1057
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:24,079
oceans perhaps we know that there are

1058
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:26,079
many sightings coming from near the

1059
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:28,640
island of puerto rico

1060
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:31,119
you know here in wales wales and great

1061
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:32,720
britain there's some sightings coming

1062
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:34,800
into the coming into the water and

1063
00:39:39,109 --> 00:39:36,640
exiting the waters around the british

1064
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:39,119
isles as well so who knows you know we

1065
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:40,960
know more about the surface of the moon

1066
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:42,720
and we do what's under our planet's

1067
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:45,599
oceans as well it could be dimensional

1068
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:48,560
um at my point of life right now i tend

1069
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:52,079
to to be in the camp of jacqueline i do

1070
00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:54,640
think it's a dimensional thing remember

1071
00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:56,320
what i said a moment ago about the

1072
00:40:01,430 --> 00:39:58,880
scottish case where this ufo solid one

1073
00:40:02,950 --> 00:40:01,440
minute dematerialized and became solid

1074
00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:02,960
the next minute we're dealing with

1075
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:05,119
something dimensional

1076
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:07,680
it may not could is it extraterrestrial

1077
00:40:13,109 --> 00:40:10,400
as well it could be any number of things

1078
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:13,119
but for me it's definitely dimensional

1079
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:14,560
they're coming in

1080
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:16,160
it could be a wormhole it could be a

1081
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:18,720
number of things but yes

1082
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:20,640
it's all speculation isn't it does

1083
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:22,720
anybody really have the answer

1084
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:24,000
and it could be like you mentioned it

1085
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:25,440
could be the multiple things so you can

1086
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:27,599
have a extraterrestrial visitation you

1087
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:29,760
can have a interdimensional visitations

1088
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:31,680
like all the crafts even the craft that

1089
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:34,640
you mentioned that had those um

1090
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:36,640
those was the balls with this the spikes

1091
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:38,560
on it came rolling out you don't hear

1092
00:40:40,950 --> 00:40:39,680
that often

1093
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:40,960
it almost sounds like there's different

1094
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:42,720
species coming in and visiting and

1095
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:44,720
taking looks at stuff most of the time

1096
00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:46,400
they leave people intact

1097
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:47,760
and like i mentioned that with the

1098
00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:49,440
abduction they always return people so

1099
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:51,119
now they just float you out the air

1100
00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:52,880
docks in space and say okay well thank

1101
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:54,079
you for your time

1102
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:56,240
the uh even when i was talking with uh

1103
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:57,200
terry

1104
00:41:01,510 --> 00:41:00,240
love good or lovely i forgot lovelace or

1105
00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:01,520
something along those lines he was

1106
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:03,760
mentioning that as he was screaming on

1107
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:05,760
the table uh the leader whatever the

1108
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:08,560
medical examiner um alien just looked at

1109
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:10,640
him he says oh be quiet you know we

1110
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:12,240
always put you back

1111
00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:14,640
and it's weird just to hear that like

1112
00:41:17,829 --> 00:41:16,240
how we're supposed to subconsciously

1113
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:17,839
know that we'll be okay after these

1114
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:20,880
experiences like it's it's it's crazy

1115
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:24,000
well i mean i remember in the 70s gary

1116
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:26,720
who was lying naked in this flat table

1117
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:28,640
he couldn't even speak so he was shouted

1118
00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:30,240
out and he said why

1119
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:32,000
why do you want me why are you doing

1120
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:33,200
this

1121
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:35,920
one word he got one word and that was

1122
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:37,920
sanctuary

1123
00:41:46,150 --> 00:41:44,400
malcolm i swear to god that i heard that

1124
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:46,160
clear as a bell and a kind of metallic

1125
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:48,400
kind of sound in my head sanctuary they

1126
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:51,359
want that so i i don't know i mean

1127
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:53,839
we can only when i come on podcasts it's

1128
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:55,760
just great for me to provide an

1129
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:58,240
opportunity to inform an audience who

1130
00:42:02,309 --> 00:42:00,800
probably doesn't know our cases about

1131
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:02,319
what's happening here in the uk and

1132
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:04,160
scotland as a whole because it's

1133
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:07,440
important it's a big ufo logical jigsaw

1134
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:08,960
that's what ufology is there will be

1135
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:11,760
someday maybe ottawa may have a part

1136
00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:13,440
there it might fit with something in

1137
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:15,119
dumfries and galloway and scotland and

1138
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:17,119
that nest fine and that helps build this

1139
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:20,880
ufological jigsaw um but but not any

1140
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:23,280
nearer sadly we're not any nearer to

1141
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:26,480
finding out what is the the resin detail

1142
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:29,200
what is going on here did they see this

1143
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:31,200
as planet earth but a zoo and so what

1144
00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:32,560
we're seeing is they're not taking

1145
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:34,319
things from us but they're putting

1146
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:36,000
things in us

1147
00:42:41,349 --> 00:42:38,160
they are the gods so to speak the earth

1148
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:41,359
but vandanakin spoke about um is it you

1149
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:43,440
know is planet earth

1150
00:42:48,069 --> 00:42:45,440
did we come from apes did we come from

1151
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:48,079
the primordial soup uh with comet

1152
00:42:54,069 --> 00:42:50,480
strikes containing the nucleus of life

1153
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:54,079
or were we put here by another race

1154
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:56,960
again pure speculation you know yeah

1155
00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:58,800
even in the zimbabwe case when the

1156
00:43:01,990 --> 00:43:00,079
children were saying that they were

1157
00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:02,000
getting messages they were saying that

1158
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:04,319
don't get too technologically

1159
00:43:08,069 --> 00:43:06,480
uh involved like that's the message that

1160
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:08,079
we're getting from these things that

1161
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:10,079
technology will be probably the end of

1162
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:11,440
us the thing is with technology with

1163
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:13,359
humans it's always how can we use it to

1164
00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:14,720
kill somebody

1165
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:17,040
right like every technology we have that

1166
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:18,800
comes down leaks down from the military

1167
00:43:23,589 --> 00:43:21,040
was originally designed to kill people

1168
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:23,599
or how can we use this to uh you know

1169
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:26,400
limit our threats that we have out there

1170
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:28,480
and really i understand that because

1171
00:43:32,069 --> 00:43:30,240
with the nuclear facilities now i don't

1172
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:32,079
know about england or great britain but

1173
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:33,520
you guys have had your own sightings at

1174
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:36,160
nuclear facilities as well right yes

1175
00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:38,480
yeah and that to me is just a sign that

1176
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:39,839
we're dealing with something that we

1177
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:41,599
shouldn't have louie and i always joke

1178
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:43,599
around that it's kind of like toddlers

1179
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:45,119
running around with scissors and they're

1180
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:46,640
just like slapping the scissors out of

1181
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:48,960
her hand saying no you're not old enough

1182
00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:51,119
or wise enough to use these

1183
00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:52,480
and that's kind of the impression that

1184
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:54,319
we get

1185
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:55,280
well

1186
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:56,960
to some degree i hope that's true and

1187
00:44:01,349 --> 00:43:59,359
what i mean by that is you know you know

1188
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:01,359
a lot of ufos as you quite rightly said

1189
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:03,599
have been seen over missile silos and

1190
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:06,240
switching off the minuteman missile etc

1191
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:08,880
and then so if they're trying to stop us

1192
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:10,800
from really going too far well i guess

1193
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:12,720
that that's got to be a good thing you

1194
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:13,440
know

1195
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:14,640
um

1196
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:16,800
i don't know why they can't stop coming

1197
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:18,800
into wars like what's happening just now

1198
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:20,720
in the ukraine you know where russia but

1199
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:23,040
maybe that's not their part of the plan

1200
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:24,720
there is a plan of course there's a plan

1201
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:26,880
with easy it's an alien agenda but

1202
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:28,640
certainly it's not stopping coming in to

1203
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:31,760
stop wars etc or famine for that for one

1204
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:33,359
of a better word you know

1205
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:35,520
famine is rife throughout

1206
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:37,680
parts of the world as we know so clearly

1207
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:39,520
there's not something

1208
00:44:44,069 --> 00:44:41,839
i mean this technology this superior

1209
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:44,079
technology this advanced these advanced

1210
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:46,560
aliens have could clearly eradicate

1211
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:49,359
poverty could clearly eradicate

1212
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:52,319
famine etc and maybe they could give us

1213
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:54,640
health and far better health but that's

1214
00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:56,160
not part of the plan that would appear

1215
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:58,640
it's not part of their plan yeah

1216
00:45:02,550 --> 00:45:00,319
it's amazing how similar some of these

1217
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:02,560
uh cases are like that a 71 you just

1218
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:05,599
described i just kept hearing reminders

1219
00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:07,760
of the calvin parker case and we had him

1220
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:10,000
on our show a couple months ago it was

1221
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:12,319
almost exactly the same you know

1222
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:14,720
you're in a place you feel safe all of a

1223
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:17,280
sudden you see a craft or lights next

1224
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:19,359
thing you know you're on the ship and

1225
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:21,200
most of these memories come back through

1226
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:23,920
hypnotherapy and regression therapy uh

1227
00:45:29,109 --> 00:45:26,880
you know being on a flat table having a

1228
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:29,119
little device pop up and kind of i think

1229
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:30,560
calvin said it looked like a deck of

1230
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:31,920
playing cards and popped out of the

1231
00:45:35,910 --> 00:45:34,480
ceiling scanned his head and then

1232
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:35,920
it took right back off where it came

1233
00:45:40,950 --> 00:45:38,880
from and having that esp

1234
00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:40,960
uh communication with these entities as

1235
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:43,599
well and then being brought back having

1236
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:45,760
physical trauma like he you know had

1237
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:48,000
blood on his clothing and didn't feel

1238
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:50,480
right and even when we speak with people

1239
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:52,240
who've done a lot of research on this

1240
00:45:56,069 --> 00:45:54,000
whole field like for example george

1241
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:56,079
knapp we interviewed him about his book

1242
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:58,160
skinwalkers at the pentagon and he

1243
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:01,119
explained that it's a whole wide variety

1244
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:03,839
of not only phenomenon like as crazy as

1245
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:07,359
it is bigfoots ufos cryptids uh blue

1246
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:09,599
orbs all this stuff for some reason they

1247
00:46:13,829 --> 00:46:11,520
all seem to exist in the same world

1248
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:13,839
whether it's dimensional or not um but

1249
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:15,440
the people that seem to interact with

1250
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:17,680
these things a lot of them reported

1251
00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:20,800
physical male effects um you know

1252
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:23,119
autoimmune diseases that were so obscure

1253
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:25,920
and rare that almost nobody got them and

1254
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:28,240
now they're occurring with frequency and

1255
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:30,079
he even mentioned the hitchhiker effect

1256
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:32,000
that when he got too close to

1257
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:33,760
the paranormal realm or whatever the

1258
00:46:37,030 --> 00:46:35,680
hell is going on at skinwalker ranch

1259
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:37,040
they would bring that home with them and

1260
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:38,400
their family and other people would have

1261
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:40,160
spooky things happen so

1262
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:42,480
it's such a deep level now you know we

1263
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:45,119
were nuts and bolts ufologists looking

1264
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:47,920
for metal craft and you know ufo is now

1265
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:50,720
uap because it's not just a flying

1266
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:54,160
object it's phenomenon it's anomalous

1267
00:46:59,349 --> 00:46:56,640
and it's stranger than our brains can

1268
00:47:01,910 --> 00:46:59,359
comprehend i think

1269
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:01,920
yeah absolutely i mean i would also even

1270
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:03,359
though i firmly believe that we're

1271
00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:04,960
dealing with some form of non-human

1272
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:07,040
intelligence i would always say to my

1273
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:09,280
audience when i give lectures that when

1274
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:11,200
we're using hypnosis we have to be very

1275
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:14,480
very careful using hypnosis in a uf

1276
00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:16,880
abduction scenario because people can

1277
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:19,359
lie or please a hypnotherapist there may

1278
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:21,280
be something called kryptonesia which

1279
00:47:25,829 --> 00:47:23,359
they as a child they read a story about

1280
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:25,839
a ufo and a comic book and it's went

1281
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:27,920
right to the back of the mind and once

1282
00:47:32,790 --> 00:47:29,760
under hypnosis it's like the sluice

1283
00:47:34,549 --> 00:47:32,800
gates of the mind lifts up that barrier

1284
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:34,559
and all these recall come over now

1285
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:37,040
that's not to say that what leonard

1286
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:39,040
leonard springfield did and many other

1287
00:47:43,030 --> 00:47:41,040
um you know hypnotherapists and

1288
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:43,040
apologies did a bad thing

1289
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:44,960
absolutely not we need this we need to

1290
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:47,280
be very careful

1291
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:49,520
nowadays there's so many programs on

1292
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:52,480
television about ufos etc you know it

1293
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:54,720
used to be maybe two in 10 saw a program

1294
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:56,880
maybe 20 years ago now it's about eight

1295
00:48:00,950 --> 00:47:59,280
or nine and ten seeing the same program

1296
00:48:02,950 --> 00:48:00,960
they may not believe in that but that

1297
00:48:05,190 --> 00:48:02,960
that's in their minds now so if they

1298
00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:05,200
have seen something then they may recall

1299
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:07,599
that what they saw on the telly um and

1300
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:09,200
for every

1301
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:13,280
five people who's seen a bona fide a ufo

1302
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:17,280
that maybe three people will say

1303
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:19,520
i don't know i never saw anything so

1304
00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:21,680
five people in a part and i've seen this

1305
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:24,160
before five people have been a ufo

1306
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:26,480
sighting and three

1307
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:28,800
sorry two have seen the ufo and three

1308
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:29,920
didn't

1309
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:31,359
why is that

1310
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:33,520
possibly because maybe you have to be on

1311
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:36,160
a certain frequency a certain level it's

1312
00:48:41,430 --> 00:48:38,960
like the old radios are here in the the

1313
00:48:42,309 --> 00:48:41,440
united kingdom bbc radio one you tuned

1314
00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:42,319
it

1315
00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:44,319
then you've got bbc radio 2 you're

1316
00:48:47,589 --> 00:48:46,160
scanning through the wavelengths so

1317
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:47,599
perhaps the

1318
00:48:52,150 --> 00:48:50,000
or chungy are more psychically aware

1319
00:48:54,549 --> 00:48:52,160
then you're in that frequency you will

1320
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:54,559
see these these lights in the sky just

1321
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:56,559
like the dogs and the cats or animals

1322
00:49:02,390 --> 00:48:59,599
are well attuned to hear and see

1323
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:02,400
different frequencies and vibrations

1324
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:05,280
you know um maybe maybe just some of us

1325
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:07,760
can see this um getting back to the the

1326
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:10,640
pentagon ufo files though you know

1327
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:12,960
maybe these things are flying about and

1328
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:14,720
they can't be seen all the time because

1329
00:49:19,109 --> 00:49:17,440
it's different light frequencies and

1330
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:19,119
they may be there all the time we don't

1331
00:49:23,349 --> 00:49:21,280
see them that's the thing too what did

1332
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:23,359
you think about the newest uh

1333
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:25,200
development in the united states with

1334
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:27,119
the congress holding the hearings were

1335
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:29,680
you pleased at it were you sort of

1336
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:31,119
disappointed because some people are on

1337
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:32,400
the fence some people were happy with

1338
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:34,640
what came out some people were not

1339
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:36,559
uh at least they're not

1340
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:38,480
avoiding the subject altogether but i

1341
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:39,440
thought it was kind of funny where

1342
00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:40,720
they're saying we want to be clear with

1343
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:41,760
the public

1344
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:43,680
and totally open and transparent but

1345
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:46,319
most of the stuff will be classified

1346
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:47,920
which i thought

1347
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:49,200
yeah

1348
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:51,440
i mean back into i think it was 2001

1349
00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:53,520
where depressed club disclosures you had

1350
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:55,599
all these military and all that saying i

1351
00:50:01,670 --> 00:49:58,720
saw this and i saw that i went yes at

1352
00:50:03,349 --> 00:50:01,680
last we've got you know people not just

1353
00:50:05,829 --> 00:50:03,359
the me man in the street but these

1354
00:50:08,230 --> 00:50:05,839
recognizable military people with

1355
00:50:09,829 --> 00:50:08,240
stories to tell this this is it

1356
00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:09,839
and it was yesterday's news and they

1357
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:11,920
went on to other things and had other

1358
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:14,160
disclosure can i meet in since then and

1359
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:15,680
then obviously the one you've just

1360
00:50:20,230 --> 00:50:18,160
spoken about what do you think about it

1361
00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:20,240
yes i agree with you in the sense that

1362
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:21,680
it's great that they're speaking about

1363
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:23,359
it the military are speaking about it

1364
00:50:28,230 --> 00:50:25,359
whether the pressurizer is speaking

1365
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:28,240
about it who knows but at least they are

1366
00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:29,839
and at least they're now providing the

1367
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:31,839
american and canadian public an

1368
00:50:36,630 --> 00:50:34,720
opportunity to be upfront with this i

1369
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:36,640
agree also that there'll be a

1370
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:38,400
suppression led on that you know that

1371
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:40,400
sort of good documents there or what we

1372
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:41,359
will see

1373
00:50:45,829 --> 00:50:43,200
below that lid

1374
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:45,839
is the gems the fantastic gems that you

1375
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:47,520
and i will probably never see you know

1376
00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:49,440
and that's a shame

1377
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:51,280
well they mentioned too that uh you know

1378
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:53,040
whenever anything happens they'd be the

1379
00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:54,640
ones that would show up and get the

1380
00:50:59,030 --> 00:50:57,520
tapes and and all that information

1381
00:51:00,710 --> 00:50:59,040
but somebody was already doing that

1382
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:00,720
before them you know when you hear about

1383
00:51:04,470 --> 00:51:02,640
the nimitz incidents uh two uh

1384
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:04,480
civilian-looking people came on this

1385
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:06,720
helicopter took the footage took

1386
00:51:11,430 --> 00:51:09,440
everything so my question with them was

1387
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:11,440
like in okay are they competing against

1388
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:14,000
that organization now that whatever that

1389
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:16,640
under you know that black operation that

1390
00:51:19,829 --> 00:51:17,920
they got going on are they going to be

1391
00:51:21,829 --> 00:51:19,839
competing against those people because

1392
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:21,839
keep in mind the air force hasn't said

1393
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:24,240
in part my english hear [\h__\h] about

1394
00:51:29,990 --> 00:51:27,760
anything in related to the uap subject

1395
00:51:31,990 --> 00:51:30,000
and i think that's a huge piece of the

1396
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:32,000
puzzle that's missing is the air force

1397
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:33,200
because if anybody's going to know

1398
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:35,280
what's going on it's nasa and the air

1399
00:51:41,589 --> 00:51:38,480
force but you hear nothing from them

1400
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:41,599
that's because nasa stands for never a

1401
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:43,920
straight answer ah

1402
00:51:48,510 --> 00:51:47,040
i like it i like it

1403
00:51:51,510 --> 00:51:48,520
but yeah i mean it could be

1404
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:51,520
compartmentalized you know the maybe

1405
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:53,359
the american air force only knows so

1406
00:51:56,950 --> 00:51:54,880
much and then there's people above them

1407
00:51:58,950 --> 00:51:56,960
who's got a key for a door so now you

1408
00:52:00,390 --> 00:51:58,960
but not giving you that key that door's

1409
00:52:01,990 --> 00:52:00,400
locked to you yeah and it's the same

1410
00:52:03,910 --> 00:52:02,000
with the army in certain departments

1411
00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:03,920
that certain things are locked away from

1412
00:52:08,309 --> 00:52:05,920
i mean i thought when jimmy carter was

1413
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:08,319
um he was going to release files as was

1414
00:52:13,270 --> 00:52:11,119
reagan and they promised that and and it

1415
00:52:14,790 --> 00:52:13,280
never happened you know and um that

1416
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:14,800
other chap with the ginger here what's

1417
00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:15,839
his name

1418
00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:28,870
here in the uk you know obviously we've

1419
00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:30,720
been fighting for many years to get

1420
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:32,559
under the freedom of information act

1421
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:35,440
many pre-classified document files from

1422
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:37,280
uh whitehall to be released and they

1423
00:52:42,390 --> 00:52:39,599
have been released a bit drugs and

1424
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:42,400
drafts and a lot of these pages

1425
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:45,040
paragraphs are heavily blacked out

1426
00:52:49,589 --> 00:52:47,680
why why now some people have said well

1427
00:52:51,270 --> 00:52:49,599
maybe it's an address which is fine i'll

1428
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:51,280
name an address you don't want people to

1429
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:52,800
know that that's fine

1430
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:55,200
but not as some pages are totally

1431
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:57,599
blacked out come on you know that's not

1432
00:53:01,670 --> 00:52:59,760
addresses no way no no and they're like

1433
00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:01,680
hey here's the information that you seek

1434
00:53:05,589 --> 00:53:03,359
well everything's redacted for crying

1435
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:05,599
out loud there's no information to have

1436
00:53:09,510 --> 00:53:07,200
and all the information they do provide

1437
00:53:11,670 --> 00:53:09,520
is stuff that we already are aware of

1438
00:53:14,309 --> 00:53:11,680
right but we're starting to see some

1439
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:14,319
momentum in canada as well as recently

1440
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:15,440
louie and i have been trying to reach

1441
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:17,040
out to some of these politicians like

1442
00:53:21,109 --> 00:53:19,520
larry mcguire here in canada that's

1443
00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:21,119
really pushing the agenda for like

1444
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:23,599
what's going on with uaps and our

1445
00:53:27,910 --> 00:53:25,680
military and our

1446
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:27,920
nuclear facilities like we know that we

1447
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:30,720
are having the same experience as people

1448
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:33,280
in the uk and in the states this is a

1449
00:53:37,109 --> 00:53:35,040
global issue but

1450
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:37,119
it's nice to see canada sort of step up

1451
00:53:39,990 --> 00:53:38,800
as well and saying hey we got this

1452
00:53:42,309 --> 00:53:40,000
problem too

1453
00:53:44,710 --> 00:53:42,319
it's uh it's not just the united states

1454
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:44,720
we have big issues in canada as well we

1455
00:53:48,309 --> 00:53:46,319
see them all that's why

1456
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:48,319
that's why i love i'm reading this book

1457
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:50,640
just now you know and all about canada's

1458
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:53,599
ufo file shark harbor etc yeah some

1459
00:53:59,109 --> 00:53:56,480
wonderful wonderful cases coming from

1460
00:54:01,109 --> 00:53:59,119
canada and uh

1461
00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:01,119
because it's all about education you

1462
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:03,839
know and you've got to immerse yourself

1463
00:54:08,309 --> 00:54:06,640
in this ufological umbrella and there'll

1464
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:08,319
be a lot of nonsense out there but it's

1465
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:11,280
like a big civil shake all that away and

1466
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:13,680
you still got these kernels of truth

1467
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:16,079
that won't go through that grid because

1468
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:18,800
that's the real deal you and i and louie

1469
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:20,960
would not be involved in the subject if

1470
00:54:26,309 --> 00:54:23,119
we didn't honestly believe that there's

1471
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:26,319
something there to look at and uh even

1472
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:28,400
though there's hoaxes and all the rest

1473
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:29,839
there's still enough there's still

1474
00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:32,640
enough validity there to keep us three

1475
00:54:36,630 --> 00:54:34,880
going you know yeah absolutely i think

1476
00:54:38,230 --> 00:54:36,640
the only way we're actually gonna get

1477
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:38,240
real disclosure and the kind of

1478
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:39,520
disclosure

1479
00:54:43,109 --> 00:54:41,359
that we want like you said before they

1480
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:43,119
had those national press club meetings

1481
00:54:46,390 --> 00:54:44,480
in 2001

1482
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:46,400
feels like disclosure and the next day

1483
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:48,079
they're on to something else i kind of

1484
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:49,520
felt the same way with the new york

1485
00:54:53,589 --> 00:54:51,680
times article the tic tac video this is

1486
00:54:55,270 --> 00:54:53,599
the first time the us government

1487
00:54:57,510 --> 00:54:55,280
acknowledged we don't know what this

1488
00:54:58,870 --> 00:54:57,520
thing is and here's a video of it why

1489
00:55:01,109 --> 00:54:58,880
are we not jumping in up and down the

1490
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:01,119
streets because it's still

1491
00:55:05,670 --> 00:55:03,599
hidden it's suppressed you know we were

1492
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:05,680
talking a few episodes ago before these

1493
00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:07,680
house panel meetings and jason says hey

1494
00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:09,680
what do you think uh are we gonna get

1495
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:11,920
the raw goods and i said listen this is

1496
00:55:18,309 --> 00:55:14,880
the same establishment that's been like

1497
00:55:19,589 --> 00:55:18,319
lying to us essentially for 70 years now

1498
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:19,599
you think they're actually going to

1499
00:55:23,670 --> 00:55:21,599
admit that yeah we've been blowing smoke

1500
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:23,680
and sorry about that you would lose all

1501
00:55:28,470 --> 00:55:25,839
faith in your government if they ever

1502
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:28,480
did that it the acknowledgement itself

1503
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:31,520
is damning and incriminating so it's not

1504
00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:32,880
going to come from them and as you

1505
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:34,720
mentioned even if you do file a freedom

1506
00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:36,720
of information request you get these

1507
00:55:41,829 --> 00:55:39,359
redacted documents and some stuff's been

1508
00:55:43,510 --> 00:55:41,839
classified for 50 or 60 years no one

1509
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:43,520
says it's ever going to come out and

1510
00:55:47,109 --> 00:55:44,880
it's not like there's a certain time

1511
00:55:49,109 --> 00:55:47,119
expiry that eventually it's all going to

1512
00:55:51,430 --> 00:55:49,119
come out no they're going to keep this

1513
00:55:52,950 --> 00:55:51,440
stuff hidden and i think the only thing

1514
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:52,960
i find positive coming out of the

1515
00:55:57,910 --> 00:55:55,119
movement are people that are

1516
00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:57,920
civilian-based scientists people that

1517
00:56:02,470 --> 00:56:00,480
are inventing new machinery that can

1518
00:56:04,309 --> 00:56:02,480
observe and record different wavelengths

1519
00:56:06,069 --> 00:56:04,319
different frequencies we're going to

1520
00:56:07,829 --> 00:56:06,079
catch the bloody things ourselves on

1521
00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:07,839
tape and provide our own evidence

1522
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:08,799
because

1523
00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:11,040
you know whatever the government has

1524
00:56:14,069 --> 00:56:13,040
if they can't release it because then

1525
00:56:15,990 --> 00:56:14,079
they have to

1526
00:56:17,670 --> 00:56:16,000
also admit that we've had this for years

1527
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:17,680
and haven't done anything positive with

1528
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:19,520
it you know if they do have ufo

1529
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:21,599
technology it's just been used to try to

1530
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:23,440
weaponize it's never been used to

1531
00:56:28,309 --> 00:56:26,400
benefit mankind improve our health our

1532
00:56:30,870 --> 00:56:28,319
consciousness or anything that we could

1533
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:30,880
have used it for it's been held and kept

1534
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:33,040
in secret so i think the only thing

1535
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:35,440
positive are movements like this people

1536
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:38,640
like us dedicated to the uh to the field

1537
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:40,640
and just won't shut up about it because

1538
00:56:44,309 --> 00:56:42,240
like you said those kernels of truth

1539
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:44,319
there's enough there that yeah you could

1540
00:56:48,549 --> 00:56:45,760
have the 98

1541
00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:48,559
of explainable phenomenon that's fine

1542
00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:50,400
makes total sense that most of it is

1543
00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:52,480
explainable but it's that two percent

1544
00:56:57,190 --> 00:56:54,640
that keeps us going so credit to

1545
00:56:59,190 --> 00:56:57,200
everybody in the field that's for that

1546
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:59,200
absolutely i totally agree with you you

1547
00:57:01,349 --> 00:57:00,000
know

1548
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:01,359
that was a good point you made there

1549
00:57:05,829 --> 00:57:03,440
louie about somebody maybe there's an

1550
00:57:09,910 --> 00:57:05,839
entrepreneur entrepreneur a wonderful

1551
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:09,920
educated guy who made the design and

1552
00:57:14,069 --> 00:57:12,240
this this piece of equipment that can

1553
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:14,079
see into those spectrums you know like

1554
00:57:18,390 --> 00:57:16,400
you said can build something it can see

1555
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:18,400
stuff that we can't see

1556
00:57:22,789 --> 00:57:20,400
and that would be fantastic now the

1557
00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:22,799
skeptics would still probably say well

1558
00:57:26,549 --> 00:57:24,720
you've made that on computer you've done

1559
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:26,559
this on computer

1560
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:28,640
that's fine because as we know a lot of

1561
00:57:33,030 --> 00:57:31,040
ufos can be made by computer to like oh

1562
00:57:35,349 --> 00:57:33,040
wow that looks really good

1563
00:57:38,950 --> 00:57:35,359
but the same technology thank goodness

1564
00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:38,960
can be applied to any fake ufo video or

1565
00:57:43,829 --> 00:57:41,280
fake photograph with photographs you can

1566
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:43,839
see the reason supporting string etc i

1567
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:45,839
mean we're living i've said before we're

1568
00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:47,760
living in the steven spielberg edge of

1569
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:49,920
dreamworks laboratory anything can be

1570
00:57:55,910 --> 00:57:52,240
manipulated onto screen to look

1571
00:57:59,190 --> 00:57:55,920
fantastical but the same process can be

1572
00:58:00,309 --> 00:57:59,200
proved and be applied to say well we've

1573
00:58:02,069 --> 00:58:00,319
done a lot

1574
00:58:04,309 --> 00:58:02,079
we've done all our tests but we still

1575
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:04,319
can't explain this but i'm with you on

1576
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:06,000
that one yeah maybe there's some guy out

1577
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:07,920
there who might build a machine that can

1578
00:58:11,670 --> 00:58:10,160
see different spectrums that we can't

1579
00:58:13,589 --> 00:58:11,680
see and that would be great well we

1580
00:58:15,750 --> 00:58:13,599
chatted with dave mason last week from

1581
00:58:18,150 --> 00:58:15,760
that film a tear in the sky and he was

1582
00:58:20,789 --> 00:58:18,160
exactly that entrepreneur inventor

1583
00:58:23,349 --> 00:58:20,799
genius and he figured out a way

1584
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:23,359
to take uh you know a spectrograph so

1585
00:58:28,390 --> 00:58:25,440
you look at a light in the sky it

1586
00:58:29,829 --> 00:58:28,400
converts that into a waveform of sound

1587
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:29,839
so there's a lot more

1588
00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:32,880
identifying properties in a waveform so

1589
00:58:36,549 --> 00:58:35,200
you know a 747 will always have that

1590
00:58:38,390 --> 00:58:36,559
characteristic

1591
00:58:40,630 --> 00:58:38,400
sound essentially because he's taking

1592
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:40,640
light turning it into sound so it's a

1593
00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:44,079
way of filtering the 98 of explainable

1594
00:58:48,309 --> 00:58:46,640
phenomenon and you know if you if you

1595
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:48,319
were to capture something it would

1596
00:58:53,270 --> 00:58:50,880
measure the radiation the depth of field

1597
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:53,280
all that stuff it would be a good way

1598
00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:55,599
and a scientific way with documented

1599
00:59:00,470 --> 00:58:57,920
evidence rather than just i saw a light

1600
00:59:01,829 --> 00:59:00,480
in the sky no i saw a light it's this

1601
00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:01,839
type of wave formed this was the

1602
00:59:07,190 --> 00:59:04,480
kilohertz or gigahertz that it's in it's

1603
00:59:09,829 --> 00:59:07,200
to provide those skeptic-minded people

1604
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:09,839
the raw science that they're looking for

1605
00:59:14,470 --> 00:59:12,000
and so those people actually exist right

1606
00:59:16,789 --> 00:59:14,480
now and are making those strides in

1607
00:59:19,349 --> 00:59:16,799
technology so i think that's super

1608
00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:19,359
super amazing that uh you know i know

1609
00:59:23,829 --> 00:59:20,960
there's no money in this stuff for most

1610
00:59:26,309 --> 00:59:23,839
industries to invest but if you have a a

1611
00:59:27,990 --> 00:59:26,319
well-off genius who's really into this

1612
00:59:29,589 --> 00:59:28,000
that might be all it takes to really

1613
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:29,599
spur this thing on

1614
00:59:33,190 --> 00:59:31,200
yeah encourage other scientists yeah

1615
00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:33,200
yeah

1616
00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:34,880
again that would be great if we can get

1617
00:59:38,549 --> 00:59:36,480
all these people who can build this

1618
00:59:40,230 --> 00:59:38,559
stuff and then if we've got some

1619
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:40,240
valuable information have a big

1620
00:59:44,309 --> 00:59:42,480
conference somewhere invite all the top

1621
00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:44,319
people from the air force and say well

1622
00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:46,400
this is this is maybe five ten years in

1623
00:59:50,789 --> 00:59:48,720
the making guys we've got the top guys

1624
00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:50,799
all this devices here's what we've got

1625
00:59:55,109 --> 00:59:52,559
we're presenting you the best ufo

1626
00:59:56,309 --> 00:59:55,119
footage etc you gotta take this more

1627
00:59:58,150 --> 00:59:56,319
seriously that would be something

1628
01:00:00,069 --> 00:59:58,160
perhaps for the future when we get there

1629
01:00:01,270 --> 01:00:00,079
with these type of machines but yeah

1630
01:00:03,589 --> 01:00:01,280
fantastic

1631
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:03,599
and repeatable scientific experiments

1632
01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:05,520
right like that's a nice thing about the

1633
01:00:10,069 --> 01:00:07,599
tear in the sky movie was that it was a

1634
01:00:11,670 --> 01:00:10,079
repeatable over the course of few days

1635
01:00:13,270 --> 01:00:11,680
they could repeat the experiments and

1636
01:00:14,549 --> 01:00:13,280
they got good footage of it and that's

1637
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:14,559
that's the main thing is finding out

1638
01:00:18,309 --> 01:00:16,079
where are these things at if they're in

1639
01:00:20,710 --> 01:00:18,319
middle of the ocean find the spot

1640
01:00:22,470 --> 01:00:20,720
and then you know just just keep keep

1641
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:22,480
there for a couple of weeks and uh you

1642
01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:24,400
know keep figuring out now before we

1643
01:00:27,349 --> 01:00:25,920
close uh louis do you have any final

1644
01:00:28,950 --> 01:00:27,359
questions for our guests yeah so we're

1645
01:00:30,789 --> 01:00:28,960
mentioning different people in the field

1646
01:00:32,710 --> 01:00:30,799
and you know prominent ufologists you

1647
01:00:34,630 --> 01:00:32,720
know canadian american all the rest i

1648
01:00:37,589 --> 01:00:34,640
want to ask you just in your own uh the

1649
01:00:39,829 --> 01:00:37,599
uk world of ufologists um there are

1650
01:00:42,710 --> 01:00:39,839
there is somebody very popular in north

1651
01:00:44,230 --> 01:00:42,720
america but i find that he gets a bit of

1652
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:44,240
bad press in the uk and i'm just

1653
01:00:48,069 --> 01:00:45,599
personally curious so we're talking

1654
01:00:50,390 --> 01:00:48,079
about nick pope now i know he's appeared

1655
01:00:51,270 --> 01:00:50,400
on a million and one shows i don't have

1656
01:00:53,349 --> 01:00:51,280
a a

1657
01:00:54,549 --> 01:00:53,359
an opinion good or bad i've never met

1658
01:00:57,670 --> 01:00:54,559
nick i've never had a chance to

1659
01:00:58,789 --> 01:00:57,680
interview him i see it kind of from both

1660
01:01:00,789 --> 01:00:58,799
ends

1661
01:01:02,549 --> 01:01:00,799
but here's sort of my opinion correct me

1662
01:01:04,230 --> 01:01:02,559
if i'm wrong i want to get some more

1663
01:01:05,910 --> 01:01:04,240
information on that so

1664
01:01:07,670 --> 01:01:05,920
nick pope

1665
01:01:10,470 --> 01:01:07,680
according to his own declaration worked

1666
01:01:12,309 --> 01:01:10,480
for the uk ministry defense he worked in

1667
01:01:15,430 --> 01:01:12,319
a certain section of the uk ministry

1668
01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:15,440
defense where he had some access to

1669
01:01:20,069 --> 01:01:17,920
ufo clandestine programs that type of

1670
01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:20,079
thing now i see he gets a lot of bad

1671
01:01:25,349 --> 01:01:22,319
press people saying well he's not a real

1672
01:01:27,510 --> 01:01:25,359
ufologist he's bolstered his own resume

1673
01:01:29,349 --> 01:01:27,520
so to speak and then i see the other

1674
01:01:31,510 --> 01:01:29,359
side of it where people say well he

1675
01:01:34,150 --> 01:01:31,520
never actually said he ran the

1676
01:01:36,470 --> 01:01:34,160
department he ran the program he was a

1677
01:01:38,549 --> 01:01:36,480
desk clerk and was later promoted to a

1678
01:01:40,470 --> 01:01:38,559
slightly higher position but he's never

1679
01:01:42,789 --> 01:01:40,480
actually claimed that he's knows more

1680
01:01:45,270 --> 01:01:42,799
than he has or he was you know one of

1681
01:01:47,589 --> 01:01:45,280
two people that got some special info so

1682
01:01:50,069 --> 01:01:47,599
maybe you can provide some clarification

1683
01:01:52,230 --> 01:01:50,079
is what do you think about nick pope and

1684
01:01:54,630 --> 01:01:52,240
uh you know what should we know is he

1685
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:54,640
the real deal or is he uh is he more

1686
01:01:59,990 --> 01:01:56,880
controversial than we think

1687
01:02:01,670 --> 01:02:00,000
well my views are nick pope because i

1688
01:02:04,069 --> 01:02:01,680
know him very personally before he went

1689
01:02:05,910 --> 01:02:04,079
over to america i've had many a dinner

1690
01:02:08,470 --> 01:02:05,920
with nick pope and stanton friedman and

1691
01:02:10,549 --> 01:02:08,480
various conferences etc nice i believe

1692
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:10,559
is the real deal i think

1693
01:02:14,069 --> 01:02:12,480
a lot of people in the uk have a lot of

1694
01:02:16,390 --> 01:02:14,079
problems with nick whether that's

1695
01:02:19,190 --> 01:02:16,400
jealousy whether it's something else yes

1696
01:02:21,029 --> 01:02:19,200
he did nick pope had a small part in

1697
01:02:22,390 --> 01:02:21,039
hall you know we know that he got

1698
01:02:24,390 --> 01:02:22,400
promoted

1699
01:02:25,670 --> 01:02:24,400
nick told me when he went into that desk

1700
01:02:27,270 --> 01:02:25,680
he says malcolm i thought it was a lot

1701
01:02:29,109 --> 01:02:27,280
of rubbish i was there for low flying

1702
01:02:31,190 --> 01:02:29,119
aircraft it was just you know all these

1703
01:02:33,190 --> 01:02:31,200
complaints and then people would give me

1704
01:02:34,789 --> 01:02:33,200
all these ufo reports and i wanted to

1705
01:02:37,349 --> 01:02:34,799
prove what a load of nonsense it was

1706
01:02:39,670 --> 01:02:37,359
then even i he says malcolm even i was

1707
01:02:40,950 --> 01:02:39,680
knocking on doors and no you can't come

1708
01:02:42,470 --> 01:02:40,960
in this door

1709
01:02:44,789 --> 01:02:42,480
doesn't matter you go about your own

1710
01:02:46,230 --> 01:02:44,799
business he says i was i was stonewalled

1711
01:02:48,549 --> 01:02:46,240
i was going well

1712
01:02:50,789 --> 01:02:48,559
so me personally i honestly i believe

1713
01:02:53,349 --> 01:02:50,799
nick yes he has enhanced his reputation

1714
01:02:55,829 --> 01:02:53,359
by going on tv shows he's never off tv

1715
01:02:58,789 --> 01:02:55,839
is joe's blessing yeah but that's that's

1716
01:03:00,470 --> 01:02:58,799
good because it lets people know that he

1717
01:03:03,109 --> 01:03:00,480
knows his subject and he's getting all

1718
01:03:04,870 --> 01:03:03,119
these wonderful stories out about ufos

1719
01:03:07,510 --> 01:03:04,880
he's making people who would never set

1720
01:03:09,670 --> 01:03:07,520
up about ufos what what was that listen

1721
01:03:10,950 --> 01:03:09,680
wow he's bringing people into this

1722
01:03:13,430 --> 01:03:10,960
subject so

1723
01:03:15,270 --> 01:03:13,440
i i have no problem with it other people

1724
01:03:17,910 --> 01:03:15,280
in the uk have i haven't he's a

1725
01:03:20,309 --> 01:03:17,920
wonderful guy and i'll probably get

1726
01:03:22,150 --> 01:03:20,319
pouters for saying that you know but i

1727
01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:22,160
like the guy i was we were having this

1728
01:03:25,510 --> 01:03:24,000
conversation last night jason and i and

1729
01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:25,520
i said listen it's been bugging me for a

1730
01:03:30,470 --> 01:03:27,280
couple weeks because i saw a post on

1731
01:03:31,829 --> 01:03:30,480
facebook and it was a uk ufo group and

1732
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:31,839
it was a picture of somebody receiving

1733
01:03:37,190 --> 01:03:34,319
an award and nick pope was beside him

1734
01:03:40,230 --> 01:03:37,200
and the caption said there's a very well

1735
01:03:42,309 --> 01:03:40,240
respected very intelligent ufologist and

1736
01:03:45,190 --> 01:03:42,319
there's also nick pope and i thought you

1737
01:03:48,069 --> 01:03:45,200
know what i've seen enough of him speak

1738
01:03:48,870 --> 01:03:48,079
and heard him and i don't think he's

1739
01:03:53,589 --> 01:03:48,880
ever

1740
01:03:55,670 --> 01:03:53,599
him say i was the leader of the program

1741
01:03:58,069 --> 01:03:55,680
or i got you know access to this and

1742
01:04:00,710 --> 01:03:58,079
nobody else did he's not bolstering

1743
01:04:04,309 --> 01:04:00,720
saying i'm the you know the messiah of

1744
01:04:06,549 --> 01:04:04,319
ufology or i'm the biggest expert he's

1745
01:04:09,910 --> 01:04:06,559
humble he's extremely educated whether

1746
01:04:13,349 --> 01:04:09,920
you're talking about ancient stories or

1747
01:04:14,870 --> 01:04:13,359
uh you know military um stories or

1748
01:04:17,029 --> 01:04:14,880
quantum physics it doesn't seem to

1749
01:04:18,950 --> 01:04:17,039
matter what the topic he's extremely

1750
01:04:21,270 --> 01:04:18,960
intelligent and offers

1751
01:04:22,950 --> 01:04:21,280
just not even his opinion he just says

1752
01:04:25,270 --> 01:04:22,960
you know researchers are talking about

1753
01:04:26,950 --> 01:04:25,280
this some people are saying this there

1754
01:04:28,109 --> 01:04:26,960
have been reports of this

1755
01:04:30,710 --> 01:04:28,119
it's very

1756
01:04:32,870 --> 01:04:30,720
non-biased like i i really like the guy

1757
01:04:34,549 --> 01:04:32,880
i think he's the real deal and i said to

1758
01:04:36,630 --> 01:04:34,559
jason last night i said you know what

1759
01:04:38,710 --> 01:04:36,640
i'm going to take the opportunity today

1760
01:04:40,630 --> 01:04:38,720
just to ask because from what it's worth

1761
01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:40,640
and again i don't know nick i don't have

1762
01:04:44,950 --> 01:04:42,720
a bias one way or the other i think he's

1763
01:04:46,870 --> 01:04:44,960
the real deal and if if we see somebody

1764
01:04:48,789 --> 01:04:46,880
getting some bad press i wouldn't mind

1765
01:04:50,789 --> 01:04:48,799
calling it out just to see what's what

1766
01:04:52,470 --> 01:04:50,799
you know am i brainwashed or

1767
01:04:54,470 --> 01:04:52,480
is he not as bad as some people are

1768
01:04:57,029 --> 01:04:54,480
making him out to be thank you for i

1769
01:04:58,630 --> 01:04:57,039
know i know the people who in the uk who

1770
01:05:01,829 --> 01:04:58,640
don't like them but i'm not going to say

1771
01:05:03,109 --> 01:05:01,839
who they are on this show sure um but um

1772
01:05:07,349 --> 01:05:03,119
that

1773
01:05:10,309 --> 01:05:07,359
was actually placed on my facebook page

1774
01:05:12,870 --> 01:05:10,319
you know um which i was not too happy

1775
01:05:14,710 --> 01:05:12,880
about but you know that's another story

1776
01:05:17,109 --> 01:05:14,720
bottom line is nick pope's fine he's a

1777
01:05:18,390 --> 01:05:17,119
great guy and he's an intelligent guy

1778
01:05:20,950 --> 01:05:18,400
he's getting the story out in the

1779
01:05:22,309 --> 01:05:20,960
television why not you know okay he's

1780
01:05:23,829 --> 01:05:22,319
made a name freestyle he's probably

1781
01:05:25,109 --> 01:05:23,839
getting lots of dollars for for doing

1782
01:05:27,510 --> 01:05:25,119
all the shows

1783
01:05:29,430 --> 01:05:27,520
so what you know as long as he's

1784
01:05:31,190 --> 01:05:29,440
he's truthful as long as he's truthful

1785
01:05:33,430 --> 01:05:31,200
and getting those those facts about

1786
01:05:35,270 --> 01:05:33,440
ufology across the world

1787
01:05:37,029 --> 01:05:35,280
no problems no problem you know lou

1788
01:05:39,349 --> 01:05:37,039
elizondo had that show on history

1789
01:05:41,109 --> 01:05:39,359
channel which is the only reason we know

1790
01:05:43,190 --> 01:05:41,119
his name in the first place he's not

1791
01:05:45,270 --> 01:05:43,200
doing that for free either so i don't

1792
01:05:47,190 --> 01:05:45,280
begrudge anybody making a living again

1793
01:05:49,109 --> 01:05:47,200
as you said as long as it's truthful

1794
01:05:51,670 --> 01:05:49,119
they're not fabricating things to make

1795
01:05:53,510 --> 01:05:51,680
it either more interesting or to prolong

1796
01:05:55,029 --> 01:05:53,520
their tenure like you better keep me

1797
01:05:57,029 --> 01:05:55,039
going on these things because i'm always

1798
01:05:58,789 --> 01:05:57,039
finding new stuff as long as you're not

1799
01:06:01,029 --> 01:05:58,799
doing that i don't have a problem with

1800
01:06:02,150 --> 01:06:01,039
anybody making money writing books

1801
01:06:04,470 --> 01:06:02,160
you're you know you're gonna make a

1802
01:06:07,270 --> 01:06:04,480
living so if you can make a living and

1803
01:06:09,910 --> 01:06:07,280
further this investigative uh you know

1804
01:06:12,230 --> 01:06:09,920
body of work and provide quality stuff

1805
01:06:14,710 --> 01:06:12,240
to it you're enhancing the value of the

1806
01:06:17,029 --> 01:06:14,720
subject not detracting from it so as

1807
01:06:18,950 --> 01:06:17,039
long as you don't form a cult and make

1808
01:06:23,910 --> 01:06:18,960
people wear white sneakers and drink the

1809
01:06:27,510 --> 01:06:25,349
malcolm thank you so much for coming on

1810
01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:27,520
the podcast today um are you working on

1811
01:06:30,789 --> 01:06:29,680
a new book or anything like that as of

1812
01:06:33,029 --> 01:06:30,799
late

1813
01:06:36,710 --> 01:06:33,039
um i'm working on another book yes it's

1814
01:06:38,630 --> 01:06:36,720
to do to do with a scottish case which

1815
01:06:41,190 --> 01:06:38,640
involves over

1816
01:06:43,430 --> 01:06:41,200
three four five dozen small grades seen

1817
01:06:45,430 --> 01:06:43,440
in a field terrorizing the family it's a

1818
01:06:47,990 --> 01:06:45,440
true story and that's the one i'm

1819
01:06:50,390 --> 01:06:48,000
working on just now um but jason it's

1820
01:06:52,470 --> 01:06:50,400
been a pleasure speaking to your good

1821
01:06:54,470 --> 01:06:52,480
self in louisiana uh you've done a

1822
01:06:57,029 --> 01:06:54,480
marvelous marvelous job sir you really

1823
01:06:58,630 --> 01:06:57,039
are well thank you thank you we really

1824
01:07:00,630 --> 01:06:58,640
appreciate that

1825
01:07:02,710 --> 01:07:00,640
few stories is great you know yeah well

1826
01:07:04,630 --> 01:07:02,720
when you the book is finished uh shoot

1827
01:07:06,950 --> 01:07:04,640
me an email and uh we'll definitely have

1828
01:07:09,270 --> 01:07:06,960
you back on it's it's been a pleasure

1829
01:07:11,349 --> 01:07:09,280
and an honor for us as well sir

1830
01:07:13,270 --> 01:07:11,359
thank you very much before we close off

1831
01:07:15,029 --> 01:07:13,280
tonight we just want to thank all of our

1832
01:07:16,950 --> 01:07:15,039
listeners we've been getting a lot of a

1833
01:07:18,870 --> 01:07:16,960
lot of strong love mail we don't get any

1834
01:07:21,109 --> 01:07:18,880
hate mail i love that there's trolls

1835
01:07:23,510 --> 01:07:21,119
everywhere and we don't get any trolls

1836
01:07:25,750 --> 01:07:23,520
so i think we have one of the most loyal

1837
01:07:27,829 --> 01:07:25,760
listener bases out there we're doing our

1838
01:07:29,829 --> 01:07:27,839
best to bring you quality guests

1839
01:07:31,750 --> 01:07:29,839
there's a few episodes where we recorded

1840
01:07:33,109 --> 01:07:31,760
ourselves because we didn't have anybody

1841
01:07:35,029 --> 01:07:33,119
of a certain caliber that we wanted to

1842
01:07:36,150 --> 01:07:35,039
bring to our people uh so we have a

1843
01:07:37,430 --> 01:07:36,160
shout out we've been doing this a little

1844
01:07:39,670 --> 01:07:37,440
bit lately we're going to give a shout

1845
01:07:41,910 --> 01:07:39,680
out to one of our biggest fans candace

1846
01:07:43,750 --> 01:07:41,920
don breeze she's been a fan of the show

1847
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:43,760
since day one absolutely helped us

1848
01:07:48,470 --> 01:07:45,839
promote she posts our show on her own

1849
01:07:50,230 --> 01:07:48,480
page and she's a big uh

1850
01:07:52,230 --> 01:07:50,240
a big fan so we do want to say thank you

1851
01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:52,240
candace uh we really appreciate it we

1852
01:07:58,910 --> 01:07:54,720
hear you we feel the love and right back